Willie Nelson

[...] Shane Bugbee [...]

Very insightful young man. Enthusiastic in his crusade for peace and good will of human mankind. How could anyone with this strong fight for Peace and Freedom be the person that #2 comment is speaking of. If it perhaps was another time and in another life - then it should not be condemned, as it seems that is what brought him to a higher power with himself. He has left all of that behind and strives to make a better life for himself and his wife. Only a person with NO character defects has a right to judge.
Remember “JUDGE NOT, LEST YEA BE JUDGED”

This video echos the reality of the world today. Many people see it this way - not just one. It truly depicts a large population of people who hunger for peace, including the maker of this video. Hooray for Shane Bugbee.

there is millions of dollars to be made in this world and shane has found more than one way to make money in his life i have known him all of my life and he has always been a loving and caring brother and an awesome uncle to my kids someone i have always looked up to and gone to for advice for that guy to go on here and bash someone he doesnt know personally is pretty ballzy i think it is great that my brother can be a neautral party on all aspects of life he has gotten a great deal of knowledge being that way and has passed knowledge my way too

so to the bible banger get a life

What we have here is a video calling for peace using an artist’s unique vision. Shane, a friend of mine,is no stranger to being at the cener of contraversey, I feel his other works should have zero weight on how this one is judged. If people’s associations are a criminal offense, then this country has truly lost what made it free:the voice of the people!
In regards to the comment referencing Might Is Right, I will not dignify furthering the rabble beyond this comment.
True, the book can be viewed as a tool for hate and predjudice, however, The Holy Bible can also be used as such in the right (wrong?) hands, Some strive for peace, others strive for war, while some strive simply to exist.
We are free to say what we will, and accept whatever consequence may come, Shane has done that. Hats off to you, my friend

This guy has given me more good advice than any one in the professional people in the world. He is a Great son, a Great brother, and a Great uncle, he is always there for you when you need him. He will give you his last dollar ro the shirt off his back. That #2 guy is a piece of work.

This is my Son and I support him and his wife 100%

1. I’m not a racist, have never been a racist.

2. It’s about a video I did, a review they did and a mini interview we did.

3. I have broken no laws, so it’s not right to add what I have done to a list of criminal activities.

You just wanna be mean - you’re the hatter - not me. I’d love it if you brought this debate to a more appropriate blog, like one of the sites you’ve mentioned.

I do want to thax this here site, I really loved doing the video.

Shane, let me start by saying I applaud your video. The need this country has for work such as this cannot be underestimated. We are indeed at a time of crisis.

However, some issues raised by ‘Anti-Fascist… (etc)’ need to be confronted. Having had (an admittedly cursory) look at the content of ‘Might Is Right’, I find it difficult to imagine how an ambassador of peace such as yourself would wish to be associated with what does appear to be an openly racist, white supremacist text.

It seems to be a book whose place in the 21st century needs to be questioned. Do we really need this kind of hateful, narrow-minded ignorance in a tolerant, accepting society?

If you indeed published ‘Might Is Right’, what was your motivation?

to creepy tiki:
i think they mean the line in might is right taht says:
“Only Jews and Christs and other degenerates think that rejuvenation can ever come though law and prayer.”
but its true still–”jews” and “christs” are together you see, christs are not a race or ethnicity–he is referring to the jewish religion, not race, basically to faith based religious groups in general-the main two at the time were jewish peple and christian people.

Who really cares what someone believes or is said to believe. We are all going to die and become nothing more than compost. Religion, is nothing more than a means to pacify the masses. Racism is the same thing; people need someone or something to blame for the problems in the world, so they latch on to an ideal.

Shane is a very sick and twisted individual!

He published a book that is unreadable! (I would go down on whoever made it through either Might is Right or Mein Kampf to quote Orson Welles!)(I am waiting for the books on tape version of either of those, dammit! Preferably read by James Earl Jones!)

He directed a porno that is unwankable! I dare you to WANK to that damn video - I dare you! Impossible!

The main thing that Shane should be thoroughly commended on at this point is for NOT finding Christ and appearing on right wing talk shows! It is literally Quixotic!

(My favorite part of the last 4 years, really, is that cheap drugs in Canada are no longer cheap! Check out the exchange rate of the US vs Canadian dollar! I think Disney is going to pretty soon start printing our money!)(White Supremacy my ass!)

Hey “anti-fascist” - what’s the relevance? You are trying to make the case that Shane is a “proto-fascist”? Meaning what, ultimately? That you suspect this video he has made is a secret attempt to subvert the minds of those who would fight for peace in an attempt to bring them to fascism? Seems unlikely. Perhaps there is backward masking, or subliminal messaging in Shane’s short film? I don’t think so.
Funny too how you selectively quote Lavey. You know full well that Lavey preached an anti-racist doctrine. You know full well also that Lavey used Might Is Right as the basis for his own bible, taking out those parts he felt were contradictory. You probably also know that Lavey was of jewish blood, and it may amuse you to know that white supremacists sent Shane death threats for publishing it.
Now, let’s look at your previous rebuttal:
“Judge not, lest yea be judged”

“Would you support that point of view if your family were the victims of a crime? Do you think we should not judge thieves, murderers, dishonest politicians etc?”

Has Shane victimized you or anybody you know with crime? No? Then what the hell is the point of this argument?

“Shane makes no attempt to distance himself from the extremist views and has actively promoted the work as a valuable philosophical commentary on society. The work contains a laudatory foreword and afterword, neither of which offer any criticism of the book’s explicit and profound racism. Furthermore, Anton LaVey states in the foreword that he can see the connection between Might is Right and Mein Kampf because “diverse minds can think similar thoughts.””

Here’s your selective quotation of Lavey. Lavey made it abundantly clear that he appreciated Might Is Right for its philosophy of radical individuality. Lavey, as I pointed out, was of jewish blood, and at its best, Might Is Right is a manifesto that insists each person should be judged for his or her own merits. Lavey did not draw a parallel between Might Is Right and Mein Kampf because he saw them as particularly similar, he was responding to the claim that Hitler himself may have read the book.
At this point, anybody reading these posts may wonder about this book Might Is Right, and find an urge to look through a copy on their own. This is exactly the kind of controversy that drove me to search out a copy of the book, and it’s this same curiosity that I believe compelled Shane to re-print it. Shane has always been an advocate of free speech, a freedom fighter, and a representative for under-dogs.
I met Shane not long before he commissioned me to illustrate the previous edition of Might Is Right, and neither he nor I have changed our political stripes. We are and always have been defenders of civil liberties whether they are assaulted by dogmatic conservatives, or religious fascists like yourself.

“Shane is my brother/son/husband/friend and a real nice guy.

Irrelevant. My mother thinks I’m sweet too. Who cares.”

This would seem entirely relevant as your attack on him amounts to nothing more than “Shane’s a bad guy.” Instead of commenting on the video (as this message board was set up for), you launch a base-less attack against Shane’s character, but any counter-point is “irrelevant”. Convenient.

“Might is Right was published by the University of Chicago.

Yes, it was. 110 years ago, back when it was perfectly acceptable to disseminate racist views, because they were wildly held and, in fact, enshrined in law. Publishing it in 2006, however, is a different matter.

Might is Right is not simply a ‘controversial book’. It is a hate work that scholars have acknowledged as proto-fascism.”

Which scholars? How did they come to this conclusion? Did they read it? Does that make them fascist by proxy? Speaking of Mein Kampf, didn’t Penguin re-print that one a few years ago? Are they a fascist front organization? In fact, where did you get your copy of Might Is Right? Do you have one? Did you read it? Perhaps you are fit to observe a cultural relic of its kind, but others will surely become distorted and sick upon digesting its prose… is that it?

“I’m hiding behind anonymity.

That’s because this isn’t about me. Nothing I say rests upon my authority; it rests upon the clear facts regarding Shane Bugbee.”

Now this is very interesting. For one thing, this message board was never meant to be a forum for the “facts regarding Shane Bugbee.” For another, I think this IS about you. I don’t actually believe that you are offended by Lavey or Might Is Right. I think that you just don’t like Shane for reasons that would sound laughably petty if you were honest about them, so you contrived this “early warning” name to show up anonymously and play fast and loose with the facts. Whatever your real problem is with Shane, I feel it’s obvious that you are hiding it behind a pseudonym.

Lilith-
The internet is a tool. It is what you make of it. If you have some type of artistic capability, you may find that it can help you “flourish”, as you put it. Personally, I don’t just watch random postings on Youtube, but there is plenty I’ve seen through that site that I may never have seen otherwise, and I’m glad I was able to access it through the internet. Perhaps you need to learn to filter your own intake. As for mediocrity and delusion, I see that most often on message boards like this, from people like you. Clearly, you have no idea that this video was the winner of a video contest on this site. Were you even aware that this is Willie Nelson’s site? I find it amazing that you weren’t even sure if the voice was that of William Burroughs or Willie Nelson before you saw fit to post your senselessly disparaging comment. Nobody is forcing you to watch internet videos, you may comfortably return to your board room contrived, safe and comfortable, homogenized network TV programming at any time. In the meantime, I’ll see if the internet community would be so good as to write you an apology for its tasteless efforts to make you actually think about issues in a new light by allowing juxtaposes of said network “stock footage” in a new and compelling context… or perhaps that entirely by-passed you?

A contest winning video? So much for the contest. Or the judges. “Clearly you have no idea.” Indeed I don’t. I suggest that your beloved Bugbear (or is it Burgber?) is not the artiste that you clearly think he is, and you suggest that I watch Fox News. I’m sorry- could you rewrite your argument syllogistic form? You’re assuming a false dichotomy: “either you like Bugbee’s video, a classic piece of edgy political commentary, or you are a Rush Limbaugh sucking media zombie.” Well Bugbee’s video is dross, and I am no fan of the US media networks. I want you to focus on my central point: a). Bugbee is an artistic mediocrity and (to reiterate the point made earlier by Mr. Early Warning) b). moral pygmy.

Okay “Lilith”, I now see that we’re getting to the real “point” of your post, and it apparently has nothing to do with the video. You claim that Shane is a “moral pygmy”. I think what we have here, from both yourself and “Early Warning” - whom I begin to think you must have some ties with, otherwise how is it you just happened upon this video contest without even knowing it was a video contest? - is the outrage of the radical conformist. Early Warning decries the fact that Shane fails to bow to religious authority, and you bemoan the fact that he isn’t a “professional” director. Not everybody needs, or indeed, prefers their information or art pre-packaged or approved by experts or authorities. Not everybody needs morality spelled out for them from the pulpits, from which so many atrocities have been “justified”.
When did I ever mention Fox News or Rush Limbaugh?
You want me write it out in “syllogistic form” for you, so you can more easily grasp what I’m saying without attributing false arguments to me? Here you are:
1) You claim that “Youtube and the internet” have “become a vast ocean of delusion and mediocrity” as evidenced by Shane’s video.
2) The fact is that television, with its board room approved programming, is still the only real alternative to internet video.
THEREFORE: In order to remove yourself from the internet broadcasting that so offends your tender sensibilities, I recommend that you return to your TV.
Understand?
Now for your “central point”: “Bugbee is an artistic mediocrity”. What can I say about that? You could go onto a message board and claim that Van Gogh was an artistic mediocrity. How can one argue this? Art’s a particularly subjective realm. You like it or you don’t. Your comment comes off as mean-spirited, and we can already see from your lack of knowledge regarding its posting on this site, that your comments are also ignorant. Willie Nelson himself spells out the artistic value of the video above. This isn’t just a jumble of stock-footage and sound, any of the individual elements wouldn’t have much an effect on me, but the video taken as a whole is very effective. For those capable of thinking, the contrast of the war footage set against those raising the “peace” sign, as G. W. Junior raises the middle finger is food for thought. But I’m not going to tell you WHAT to think “Lilith”; it seems you’d rather close yourself off from free-thought.

“claim 2: “is there such a thing [as a video artist]?
Well, yes there is. Spike Jonze, for one.”

If you must quote to disparage–please quote properly-I said if there is such a thing as an “internet video artist”–Spike Jonze is a professional music video (for television etc) producer & filmmaker-big difference.
“I suggest you re-read Mr. Bugbee’s extensive “Artist’s Statement”. Pretentious.”

Wherein his artist statement does Bugbee claim to be a pro-”internet video artist”???!!–he doesnt! He just talks about his idea of peace on a personal level…

“he fact that Bugbee’s video won a contest of this type, within such narrow confines (video collage using a Willie Nelson song) is rather irrelevant to whether it is any good.”

Good* as stated above, when it comes to creative endeavors is subjective.
Who cares if you didnt like it–it was for Willie Nelson to like–Not you!

And you K. Anger comment shows you have a general anti-Satanist (and possibly anti-Gay) disposition, which we can all see is the real reason you are even here berating Mr. Bugbee…frankly-I didnt find the video exceptionally “moving”, but I certainly dont think it was “bad”, at least not “bad” enough to deserve your attacks.

Go back to your Christian identity compound and whine about all your woes about internet video contest submissions to your BruderSchwiegen, you NAZI!

Also–to “Lilith Cohen”
Nice job picking a screen name that combines Demon first name and a Jewish last name—definite nazi undertones to your whole schtick…

wow, this is hysterical - whoever thought satanists would be such pissy, whiney, hyper-sensitive prima donna bitches?…. seriously kids, harden up… you’re SATANISTS, the ALIEN ELITE, remember?

and you all spell like retards….

The ironically named “Anti-Fascist” has taken the final refuge of the intellectually defeated and has started hurling infantile names. Who’s hysterical? And who is spelling “like retards”? Harden up, anonymous nobody. Learn to stand your own ground in a debate, or keep out. I think the posters here - whether they may call themselves “satanists” or not is irrelevant - have argued you thoughtfully, and you’ve proven unable to hack it. I myself put some very specific questions to you in a previous post, and the best you can do is declare your detractors as “pissy, whiney, hyper-sensitive prima donna bitches”? That’s pathetic. You lose. Harden up? We’ve stood up to your senseless abuse. You, it seems, are the one who is hysterically crying.

Lilith-
I find the “care to respond?” that you hurl at “Brain” rather ironic considering how it is you’ve decided to entirely disregard every question I’ve put to you so far. I suppose that tells us something of your “village flea-market intellect”: If you don’t like the argument, change it.

What is your “thesis statement”? You started our exchange.
You’ve still ignored every argument I’ve put to you. Must I continually simplify?

I repeat:
What is YOUR “thesis statement”? YOU started our exchange. I’ve dissected your arguments. YOU asking ME for a thesis statement is the equivalent of turning in a paper at school, receiving critiques from your professor, and turning his critiques back upon him with the question: “What is the thesis here?”

1) Get an education. Read Lavey. He was openly and specifically non-racist. To stand out against Old Testament religion is not to be racist against those of Jewish blood. Calling me a “meshugenneh goy” is rather similar to setting me apart as some savage “other” separate from your “elite”, is it not? You’re not an elitist, yet you disparage the internet for its open forums of “mediocrity”.

2) See above regarding subjectivity.

3) I have no idea what you’re trying to say here.

4) I think you expect a bit much from an “artistic statement” if you demand it offer Foreign Policy solutions.

I think we see that you are starting to throw random jabs at this point. You are offended by Lavey, not the quality of Shane’s video. That’s the whole story.

Here’s a thesis for you: Your arguments don’t hold.

Contest Still Open

Everyone who gets their video posted to an article is a winner. Everyone who has submitted so far has been posted. We would have to see hate and/or exploitation content before we would decline posting it.

Yes, Shane Bugbee is a winner and so is everyone else who has had their video posted and an article written about them.

And the contest is still open, so submit your video or create your version of A Peaceful Solution.

Just because we have some controversy in the comments does not mean everything has gone to hell. If this is where opinionated, angry and judgemental people can begin to appreciate each other’s differences then better here than on the streets with weapons. All religions and spiritual practices call for A Peaceful Solution and here on this website that is what we are calling for.

What becomes obvious is that everyone possesses their own beliefs and everyone is entitled to have them. Now that we all know this, has been amply demonstrated here in the comments, we can begin to allow everyone else to truly believe what they will. Of course, when a person’s actions violate laws, then there are legal recourses.

Willie Nelson has personally told me that he regularly visits this site, watches the videos and listens to other people’s versions of A Peaceful Solution. Willie’s intent in supporting this website and initiating the video and song contest was to encourage the propagation of the idea of A Peaceful Solution. He hopes that by sharing his song and providing this showcase ever more people will become messengers of peace.

The more people who carry the message of peace the better. No one becomes disqualified to carry forth the message of peace by involvement in lawful activities. We appreciate the fact that Shane Bugbee produced a video promoting A Peaceful Solution. Our desire is that everyone who has commented on this article also produce a video promoting A Peaceful Solution.

After all, if someone with Shane Bugbee’s public persona and reputation can produce a video promoting A Peaceful Solution then what is holding back those who profess higher ideals? If you think you can do better then let’s see it. We’ll post it.

What have you done for peace today?

Dear Graveyard Creep

Anton La Vey is a plagiarist and a hack. Reading Ayn Rand and dressing as a bat (is that too simplistic for you?) does not make you a beacon of Enlightenment. Reading La Vey and swallowing every plagiarised word does not make you a member of a self- anointed elite. it makes you a narcissistic, self appointed jerkoff. And if George Bush decides to drink the blood of every man, woman and child in Iraq, how are you, a Satanist, going to explain what’s wrong with that, if you’ve ditched Jewish-Christian morality? Isn’t that what being a Satanist means? if you were going to explain to Bush what’s wrong with his war, would you appeal to the authority of La Vey? Or St. Augustine on Just War?

You want religious discrimination? I’ll give you religious discrimination. You have a heavy metal album cover of a belief system. Church of Satan- don’t make me laugh. Either Satan exists (and so does Jesus and the rest of the team) - and you’re going to burn, or Satan doesn’t exist, and you may as well dress as a bunny rabbit for all the difference it makes. Why not dress as Gilles de Rais, or Jeffrey Dahlmer? Oh, yeah, right, those guys really were evil. “We’re Satanists!” (in a Bill Hicks voice). “We don’t believe in violence or killing people for sexual kicks!” Am I right? Is that the mindless response you’re thinking of? What-is that the best you can do? Are you actually surprised that people associate Satanism with the total negation of morality? If you aren’t actually evil you simply don’t deserve to call yourselves Satanists.
How did LaVey get the monopoly and the copyright on Satanism? Did he actually MEET Satan? I tell you what- earn my respect- dump the C of S and rename the group Church of Evil. I think that will put some of your moral confusion into relief.

“Satan.” If you were actually Satanic you’d be in the White House. Might is Right- if you actually believe that (and it’s a core Satanic principle- the opposite of Christian morality- remember?) you will simply look down on the chaos in Iraq and see your own morality unfold.

I’ve had enough of this. Graveyard Creep- learn some history, instead of projecting your own uninformed opinion onto everything you see. “Isn’t hatred based on religion the only reason [we have] wars?” Well, no, in fact. Japan did not attack the USA out of religious conviction. Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia were both essentially anti- Christian; Mao’s Cultural Revolution and Pol Pot’s Cambodia were also more anti- religious than pro. And if someone doesn’t agree with you, you don’t ignore their counterarguments, argue against what you’d hoped to have heard, and proceed as if you’re winning the debate.

Churchi of Satan?
Go to Hell.

“Bush decides to drink the blood of every man, woman and child in Iraq, how are you, a Satanist, going to explain what’s wrong with that, if you’ve ditched Jewish-Christian morality? Isn’t that what being a Satanist means?”

No, that isn’t what being Satanist means.

Satanism has a very specific set of rules, and is not the same thing as Anarchism or any other system of belief.

Satanism isn’t reactionary to Judeo-Christian beliefs, it is a totally separate set of ethics and ideas. Satanism is NOT “inverted Christianity”, as portrayed in your Heavy metal album collection.

Your belief / assumption that the word “Satan” only can represent a horned anthropomorphic deity who presides over “Hall” shows your lack of understanding of even the most basic principles of Satanism, as well as language.

“Satan” is merely the Hebrew word for “adversary”.
Hebrews / Jews did not & do not believe in the Christian “Hell”, so the word “Satan” could not have been originally meant to describe its ruler.

And, Lilith, you still are a religious bigot, no matter how many “bad” things you think you can “expose” about Satanism, this is still the United States of America, where people have FREEDOM OF RELIGION, and the right to not be discriminated against because of their religion.

No matter how hard you argue, you will never prove that anyone has the right to discriminate against people just because they have different system of belief than yourself.

Not in this country, anyway.

A Peaceful Solution

There is a big button on the sidebar that says “Video Contest”.

If you click on it you will go to the article describing Willie’s contest.

Point being, everyone that submits a video using “A Peaceful Solution” soundtrack wins and gets an article written about it.

Devo, I hope your son does do one.

Yes, Willie Nelson is his real name.

Willie Nelson is now on tour and has been closing shows with his song, “A Peaceful Solution”. The proof of this is merely in the fact of being informed.

There are tools available that one can use to answer most of these questions to your own satisfaction.

There is obviously nothing I can do to convince you, use the tools and satisfy yourself.

As to the rest of your questions, I have written a post explaining why the future will not and can not be as the past.

Energy Crossroads Extract

Dana,
The article I wrote is about change from a historical perspective.The history of humanity is continual movement from one seemingly normal way of life to another different seemingly normal way of life. At the time of each period each was thought of as normal.

Like today where many people feel war is normal. It was all made up by people. You want to make up war? You will pay the price. The planet can not take it and the species can not take it.

The point of the article is that war at today’s levels will not sustain life. No matter how normal it appears.

As peoples’ consciousness expand and see war will never solve problems we have a chance to move to a new peaceful solution.

There is the article written and the intent of the writer and then the reader overlays their interpretation based on their own personal beliefs.

You have a right to believe whatever you want. Just understand you are using my words to promote your own agenda.

Oh, btw lillith The Nazi’s were pro-christian fully supported by Catholic church-and the Democratic Republic of Kampucha (pol pots cambodia in lil-brain terms) was fully supported by the USA bucuse they were not communists, and helped oppose the NVA. Saloth Sar (Pol Pot to you) may have been inspired by Marxist writeings dureing his time at college in Paris, but the USA still supported him by bombing his opposition so he could seize power. The USA is supposed to be a christian nation (according to thumpers anyway) and so Anti-Communist Thumpers of the Book that Dyth Not caused the Killing Fields…..Hmmmm

Why Lillith thinks these things are to be placed in the Catagory of “evil satanists or Ditched Judeo-Christian morality” is beyond me- the whole Good vs Evil from the Bible-babble was stolen wholesale from The teachings of Zorathustra who founded Zorastrianisum. later Satan was stolen from Shaitan in the old testimant and turned into a boogyman in the Dark ages. The bible is a funny piece of fiction, and in reading it one sees quickly that Judeans (jews) are not very moral-the pimp out there sons to there first cousin (genisis) kill all there nighboors-screw there fathers- trade daughters for psychtropic plants-kill people for pissing,jacking off,ect. The Christians are no better-from witch burnings, to Slaughtering arabs and roasting all the jews alive dureing the first crusade-to modern day evanglists that preach out against homosexuality while sucking cock and doing meth. Jews,Christians and Arabs are no more moral then say your average Srtipper gang-banging frat boy. If anything the Average CoS member is likely to be more moral.

Have you been through THE LONG DARK NIGHT OF THE SOUL?